In The New Republic, Martin Peretz relates this comment by Democratic party bank roller George Soros, as reported in the New York Times’ online “Davos Diary“:
America needs to follow the policies it has introduced in Germany. We have to go through a certain deNazification process.
No, says Peretz, “you are not seeing things. He said de-Nazification. He is not saying, in the traditional manner of liberal alarmists, that the United States is now where Weimar Germany was. He is saying that the United States is now where Germany after Weimar was . . . In the old days, the Amerika view of America was propagated by angry kids on their painful way to adulthood; now, it is propagated by the Maecenas of the Democratic Party.”
After noting that “nobody seems to have noticed” Soros’ remark, Pertz adds:
Imagine the outcry if Republican moneybags . . . had declared that Hillary Clinton is a communist or that Bill Clinton’s America had been in need of a certain de-Stalinization process. But I hear no outcry from Soros’s congregation . . . There seems to be a renaissance among liberals of the view that there are no enemies to the left. I hear no Democrats expressing embarrassment, or revulsion, at Soros’s comment. Whether this silence is owed to their agreement or to their greed, it is outrageous.
Now comes Peretz’s coup de grace. On December 20, 1998, there appeared this exchange between Soros and Steve Kroft on “60 Minutes”:
Kroft: “You’re a Hungarian Jew …”
Soros: “Mm-hmm.”
Kroft: “... who escaped the Holocaust …”
Soros: “Mm-hmm.”
Kroft: “... by posing as a Christian.”
Soros: “Right.”
Kroft: “And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.”
Soros: “Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that’s when my character was made.”
Kroft: “In what way?”
Soros: “That one should think ahead. One should understand that—and anticipate events and when, when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a—a very personal threat of evil.”
Kroft: “My understanding is that you went … went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.”
Soros: “Yes, that’s right. Yes.”
Kroft: “I mean, that’s—that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?”
Soros: “Not, not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t … you don’t see the connection. But it was—it created no—no problem at all.”
Kroft: “No feeling of guilt?”
Soros: “No.”
Kroft: “For example, that, ‘I’m Jewish, and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be these, I should be there.’ None of that?”
Soros: “Well, of course, ... I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was—well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in the markets—that is I weren’t there—of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would—would—would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the—whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the—I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.”
Peretz’s conclusion:
So this is the psychodrama that has been visited on American liberalism. We learn Soros never has nightmares. Had he been tried in a de-Nazification process for having been a young cog in the Hitlerite wheel, he would have felt that, since other people would have confiscated the same Jewish property and delivered the same deportation notices to the same doomed Jews, it was as if he hadn’t done it himself. He sleeps well, while we sleep in Nazi America.
For my part, I imagine the following headline:
Global instability is good for currency traders.
Wow. Great post. Great insight. While I remain an Independent, I acknowledge many things in common with the Democrats. Still, I never liked Soros, though I didn’t have a rational basis for that dislike. Now I do. Most people feel guilty for thinking less-than-pure thoughts, yet this man participates in one of the greatest crimes against humanity of all time and feels no, zero, nada, zilch remorse? The blogosphere and MSM should be all over this.
Marc, GREAT post. I have been looking for something like this for years – Thank you. I , for one, shall make good use of this.
Good to hear from you, JD. When you make use of it, please send me the links at my email address: mschulman11@comcast.net
Wow!
So basically, Soros has absolved himself of his participation in one of the greatest crimes in history because “he was just following orders”?
Which is just what the Nazis said when we tried them.
And he says the USA needs a de-Nazification process?
Wayne makes a very interesting point. If anyone wants to follow up on the mentality of Nazi war criminals, read Richard Rhodes “Masters of Death”. At the end of this sorry story we hear that young Germans joined the SS, because it was a good career move. Soros, and his highly-paid apologists, will move mountains to explain how his collaboration with the Nazis was his approach to survival. No matter how he spins his story, he was still a Nazi collaborator—one of those who got away.
I wonder if that well-known KKK careerist Senator Byrd (D-WVa) sings the same tune!
“And I would say that that’s when my character was made.”
Says it all.
I expect that you’ll have to imagine it because I doubt that any MSM outlet would have the ideology required to run that headline.
It’s been 8 years. Saying it on 60 Minutes isn’t exactly keeping it secret, so the media obviously has no interest in pursuing it.
OK, am I to understand that Mr. Soros’ experience and perspective, because he is a “liberal” and supports “liberal” causes, is somehow representative of “liberals” in general, or that “liberals” bear responsibility for Mr. Soros choices, because he’s one of them? The absence of an outcry against Mr. Soros comments is not evidence of support, endorsement or complicity either. These are not logical conclusions, and merit no further consideration on that basis.
In fact, Mr. Soros was a 14-yr old boy, in danger for his life. His actions, which are certainly subject to criticism, were nonetheless complex and not necessarily easy to categorize or explain. Mr. Soros’ present-day statement that he feels no guilt does not speak to the process by which he arrived at such a place, nor is his professed lack of guilt tantamount to an endorsement of his actions. He understands them; he does not appear to advocate them.
Regarding the notion of “de-Nazifying” America, many who are possessed of strong character credentials have expressed grave concern that America is moving toward fascism, and has perhaps already arrived. Upton Sinclair, to paraphrase, commented that fascism would manifest in America wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible. A prescient thought indeed. Mr. Soros’ observation of the rise of fascism in America is not invalidated by his boyhood experience, even if he doesn’t profess guilt over it.
Let’s be candid about where our “enemies” are to be found. There is no such thing as an absence of corruption within any organization, including the Democrats and left-leaning organizations. Nonetheless, false arguments for war in Iraq, constant pressure to relieve business of accountability for various transgressions, in the areas of labor, environment, human rights, health and safety, all have their genesis on the right, to the detriment of everyone.
I urge you to exercise a more rigorous standard of logic when drawing self-serving conclusions from data that does not point in such a direction at all.
Paul,
Do you see no irony in a former (and guiltless) Nazi collaborator calling for the deNazification of America?
Do you see no irony in the left accepting money and political direction from a former Nazi collaborator?
Or do your “rigorous standards” excuse anything if it provides cold hard cash?
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Note that the people most enamored of Soros are also those who are quickest to condemn Scooter Libby – presently being tried for case in which no evidence has ever existed of even a theoretical crime being committed, – that screamed for the imprisonment of the accused Duke Lacross Team, – that prosecuted the Republican Speaker of the House (twice, now) when there was no crime committed, – that still scream about U.S. support for Saddam, – that still scream about U.S. support of Iran, – and who still bring up and devise a host of meaningless and imagined crimes at every possible opportunity. Against that activism, Soros real crime – for which he shows neither a shred of remorse nor any attempt to spend his vast resources to correct – looms rather large.
The “Governator†of California committed no such crime but nonetheless feels such remorse for his father’s – and former country’s – limited participation in the Third Reich that he broke heads at Nazi meetings in his native Austria, and since attaining commercial success has been a generous contributor to various Jewish charities. That Soros would today take action almost exactly opposite to that of that other rich eastern European speaks ill of him in the loudest possible way. That he would contribute huge amounts to those who would give modern day Hitlers at best a pass and at worst active encouragement is an insult of the first order.
Wayne—
Excellent points. I expect the “Soros Question” will be a major issue in the 2008 election. It will be interesting to see how the Demo-Pravda (i.e., the liberal mainstream media) handle this one.
The Soros Nazi connection goes far deeper than a mere interview on 60 Minutes. What wasn’t said is that Soros’ father had connections with the local Hungarian Naziis, and that he changed his last name to Soros as a precaution. So far, no problem. However it is the “frightened fourteen year old boy’s” collaboration with the Naziis in confiscating possessions from frightened Hungarian Jews thus setting them up for their trips to Auchwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka and other death camps that makes the Soros name a repugnant presence anywhere on Earth. I wonder what the young Soros and his Nazi masters did with those confiscated possessions. George Soros, like Dick Durbin, spits on the graves of the holocaust victims and thumbs his nose at the survivors.
How did Soros get into the US?
Did he fill in on the forms that must have been completed on his entry that he was a Nazi collaborator?
I wonder if there is by any chance anyone alive today who could sue him for aiding confiscation/theft of their property.
I asked those questions on “Kesher Talk” where they linked to this post.
Steve Clemons, who is far less “unhinged” than Martin Peretz seems to be these days, puts the remarks in both historical and contemporary context.
I’d like to see what any of the brave folks here would do in Soros’ position. Shame on you all.
Well, like Gunter Grass, Soros will have to endure the hell of his own conscience.
However, for the rest of us, this is a difficult moral quandary, worthy of a novel. Imagine that you are a Hungarian Jew under Nazi occupation. You and your family are freaking out, trying to figure out any way to survive. So you figure out how to pass for Christian and thus secure a perilous survival but you are paranoid that you will be discovered at any moment. But because you are “Christian” you are recruited to participate in the process of exporting Jews to death camps. Now you are in a situation where if you refuse maybe you and you family may be found out and sent to the camps yourself. So you make a decision that ensures your survival while ensuring the demise of others. This is the kind of moral decision that every one of us should hope to god we never have to face and because we are Americans chances are we won’t. I suspect that stories like this are not unusual among Europeans who were alive during WW2 and not unusual among Iraqis.
None of this however excuses Soros’s “de-Nazification” statement. Liberals have been accusing American conservatives of being fascists for a long time. But this demonstrates a complete ignorance of fascism as an ideology and a political movement; and a complete ignorance of the American conservative movement. I am most definitely not a conservative and I’m not a Christian of any kind, so I have nothing at stake in defending the conservative movement. I say this in order to say that the conventional liberal interpretation of American conservatism is totally wrong. If you want to really understand what fascism was about I would recommend two books: The History of Fascism by Stanley Payne and The Birth of Fascist Ideology by Zeev Sternhell. And if you want to understand the American conservative movement I would recommend Conservatism by Robert Nisbet. Obviously these aren’t the only to books to read but they are a good start. The point is that fascism which is a European phenomena has no connection with American conservatism which has its origins in Anglo-American culture. In fact fascism is a result of the synthesis of revolutionary syndicalist socialism and authoritarian nationalism, it has nothing to do with Burkean conservatism.
There needs to be a recognition of a campaign of ideas and memes. What Soros and many others are engaged in is not a rational discussion of ideas, but a political campaign that has nothing to do with rationality. You may desire a moderate, congenial, rational discussion, but this is a political war which has nothing to do with rationality and moderation. It’s about waging a successful idea campaign, and there are real consequences for losing. Ideas matter. Soros may be dismissed by some as a wacko but the reality is that there are millions of Americans who think the same thoughts. If they can brand some ideas as fascist whether they are or not then they win. This is not about facts, it’s about winning the meme campaign.
Phil—
You and I may be from different sides of the political spectrum, but we are in basic agreement on the points you bring up.
Yes, George Soros and his immediate family may have been scared out of their wits by the Naziis, but so were many Jewish individuals who escaped the Hell of Eastern Europe by either joining Marshal Tito in the fight against the Naziis, or shipping out to British Palestine on “leaking lenas” of boats, many of which never made it to the Promised Land.
Not George Soros. Soros collaborated with the Naziis in the extermination of Hungarian Jews, and he has to be exposed for the hypocritical collaborator that he was. Tell me, what is the real difference, other than scale, between Soros and Adolph Eichmann or Haj-Amin al Husseini and his notorious Hanzar Brigades?
Update: This thoughtful email came in from a knowledgeable TWN reader and should be added to the record:
The ugliest allegation in Peretz’s screed is that George Soros was a Nazi collaborator.
This is simply untrue. Soros was a 13-year-old boy when the Nazis entered Budapest. His father hid him with an official from the Ministry of Agriculture (whose Jewish wife was also in hiding). Soros posed as his godson to avoid being murdered by the Germans.
Soros’s father managed to hide his wife and other son as well, and helped many others escape. While Soros was in hiding with the official, a Mr. Baumbach, the official was assigned to inventory the estate a wealthy Jewish family that had fled to Lisbon—leaving their property behind as the Nazis required. Baumbach spent three days inventorying the estate.
Rather than leave the child alone in Budapest, Baumbach brought Soros along. This is documented in Michael Kaufman’s 1998 biography of Soros George Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire.
As for the 1998 60 Minutes interview, Pertez, like conservative Sinclair broadcasting before him, deceptively quotes Steve Kroft’s conversation with Soros. As is clear to any one watching the excerpt, Soros does not say he participated in confiscation.
In fact he states earlier in the piece: “I had no role in taking away property.” The notion that Soros in any way collaborated with the Nazi is nothing more than a neocon canard. Any commentator with the least bit of integrity should recognize this.
Back to the deNazification statement.
The problem is that Soros is accusing the administration of being fascist for fighting Islamic Terrorism. While others like Nick Cohen state the Islamic Terrorists are the fascists.
It brings to mind a passage in Witness by Whittaker Chambers (pg 459 of the 50th Anniversary paperback edition.) Chambers recounts a conversation in the late 1930s with a defector from the Russian secret police (GPU/NKVD) General Walter Krivitsky.
Krivitsky was at the time of the conversation a staunch anti-communist. It was their first meeting and Krivitsky wanted to check Chamber’s bona fides as an ex-communist (Chambers had just broken with the communist underground in America.)
Krivitsky started the conversation with this question:
“Is the Soviet Government a fascist government?”
This question about Stalin’s politics of seventy years ago is being restated today in many minds as:
“Is Islamic Terrorism a serious fascist attack on the West?”
In todays world your answer to that question probably determines your politics.
Whatever you may think of Chambers, Witness is a great book and the conflict between the communists and ex-communists described in Witness in some ways prefigures the conflict in our present world.
Washingtonnote—
We’ve heard your kind of arguments before, but unlike people like you, we’re open to reasonable counter arguments. If Martin Peretz was wrong, prove it, and show us the “real” transcript.
However, remember that Soros was the international financial scumbag who came close to bringing down the Bank of England, and he has been convicted of insider trading by the French. Looking back on the Enron debacle and the other financial debacles that were the direct result of faulty Clinton Administration financial policies, maybe you can tell us how many retirement plans got trashed by the rogue financier Soros.
Mescalero: whoever posted that comment was simply quoting from The Washington Note, a fairly high-profile blog by Steve Clemons of the New American Foundation.
How we get from “powerful capitalist” and “convicted of insider trading” to “Clinton’s policies led to Enron” I’m not really sure. I guess that, when all else fails, it is time to blame Clinton.
Anyway, would anyone here give a d&mn about the French conviction—given the details of the case—or Soros’ success on speculative markets if he’d given money and support to the Republican party? Somehow I doubt it.
New America Foundation?
Who controls/sponsors/funds that entity?
Dan,
I think you are wasting your energy. The Washington Note piece cited above, I think refutes parts of what was posted by Marc. According to that article, Peretz used highly selective quoting to make the statements seem far worse than they really were.
I don’t know the truth behind the allegations, and don’t have enough information one way or the other to make a decission but I think its obvious from the comments above that it really doesn’t matter. If you hate George Soros, you latch on to anything that makes him look bad and ignore anything that refutes it. Similarly, if you like him, you’re likely to ignore or play down the bad and focus on the good he has done. Ultimately, people succumb to confirmation bias accepting only that which maintains their version of the truth while discarding anything that does not. That at least explains Mescalero’s move from “powerful capitalist†to “convicted of insider trading†to “Clinton’s policies led to Enron.” This despite his claim to be open to reasonable counter-arguments. After all, the Washington Note piece is not that different from Marc’s original post.
I’d need to read more on Soros to even know who he really is.
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Let me quote a prior entry of Phil:
“There needs to be a recognition of a campaign of ideas and memes. What Soros and many others are engaged in is not a rational discussion of ideas, but a political campaign that has nothing to do with rationality. You may desire a moderate, congenial, rational discussion, but this is a political war which has nothing to do with rationality and moderation….”
I think there is a French saying that translates as: people can be too civilized. (If not, they should create one.) Indeed, France, itself, may fade away because of its deference to civility. There are a few wars going on and we are collectively watching from the grandstands enjoying the bread and circus, missing the whole point.
We jabber about who is better, the Bloods or the Crypts? It hardly matters when their dance will destroy the neighborhood.
Who is Soros? He is a bitter son of old Europe who never lost his class-warfare/big-brother perspective, one he did not ask for. He has learned to make money from blood in the streets and assuages his sensibilities by rallying the True Believers.
When When Hitler and Mussolini took control, they were very quick to remove the intellectual true believers who supported them from the beginning. So, while we talk about gang colors, we miss the real gang, until it comes to visit in the middle of the night.
Mr. Soros is a seasoned fuel for a fire, he is not the flame.
And at the very same time, someone I have been fortunate enough to know was undergoing the character-making process by surviving the horror of Auschwitz and six other camps. He too was 14 and, like Soros, was a Hungarian Jew.
Guess who’s the better man?
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nykrindc and Daniel Nexion—
Well gents we do agree on at least one issue—George Soros is a very controversial individual. We diverge exponentially after that!
Dan—
What makes you think that Steve Clemons has more credibility that Martin Peretz? If you think that Clemons, a very high-profile Bush hater and a person who has a well-known reputation for defending Soros, has more credibility, prove it. Show us the “real” transcript.
nycrindic—
I have yet to convince myself that Steve Clemons is any better than Martin Peretz as far as credibility is concerned. From what infinite source of wisdom do you draw your conclusions that Dan’s post constitutes a partial refutation of Marc’s post?
Let’s take things a step further. You seem to be unphased by Soros’ coup d’ etat against the British government under Prime Minister John Major. Soros has yet to show remorse—he and his blogger marionettes just smirk and say nothing. Tell me sir, how many pension plans of British working people got trashed by Soros as a result of that interesting financial foray?
Soros, who was no stranger to Enron, has been unequivocal in his critism of the Bush administration in the wake of the Enron disaster. The only problem with that is that the Bush Administration had been in office for what, maybe 1 1/2 years when the Enron bomb, as well as several others, fell? Well we all have heard stories about the Enron employees whose pension plans were trashed as a consequence, and I presume that you and I are on the same wavelength in our complete contempt for Enron management. My sister-in-laws took a huge hit in her retirement pension as a result of “energy deals” signed up by Enron with the state of California in the late 1990’s. Are you telling me that Bush was responsible for that? If you disagree, then what about the relaxed policies initiated by the Clinton Administration? Think about that for a while.
My main question, other than that concerning Soros’ alleged collaboration with the Naziis in Hungary, is what effect did Soros have on the lives of the retirement plans of British citizens affected by his greedy tactics in the monetary markets? What is the real difference between George Soros and his ilk and the likes of Jim Fiske and Jay Gould who brought about the ugly “Black Friday” incident in the US in 1869? At least the greedy tactics of Fiske and Gould woke up Americans to take a closer look and exert some form of control over those crooks.
Soros and his crowd have ticked off a number of governments besides that of Great Britain. Try Thailand and Malaysia. It’s time for the world to wake up and bring Soros and his kind under control.
Again Mescalero,
as I said above, I don’t know enough about Soros. My main comment was directed at Dan’s attempt to move the discussion into less partisan waters. Hence my comment on “you are wasting your energy.” I don’t know enough about Soros, or what he has and has not done. If I take you at your word then I guess I’d say he sounded like a very bad person, not knowing much more than what I know, however, I’d rather not pass judgment now and wait until I learn more, particularly about the allegations you make and his childhood. Doing otherwise would be irresponsible.
As for Enron, all I can say is that while you are right that the Enron mess was not solely this administration’s fault, the administration fostered the perception of impropriety by allowing the VP to seal all discussions on the administration’s energy policy which it crafted based on discussions with the energy industry. Among these one of the most prominent was Enron. By doing this, the perception of impropriety was created and that’s something the administration will have to live with.
nykrindc—
You seem reluctant to judge Soros until you learn more about his activities. Fair enough, but you also appear ready to pass negative judgement on vice-president Cheney based on a lot less evidence than that existing about Soros’ shenanigans in foreign currency markets.
Where did I pass judgment on the VP? I did not say that he was guilty of anything other than allowing the perception of impropriety to be created with regard to his energy task force. That’s not a judgment of the VP, that’s a statement of fact. I never claimed that anything improper actually happened. The administration had a right to keep that information privileged, they will just have to live with the perception that their actions created.
“What makes you think that Steve Clemons has more credibility that Martin Peretz?”
Short version? I vaguely know Steve and our circles overlap—I have former students and former fellow colleagues who have worked at the New America Foundation. I’ve been reading Peretz for over a decade, and Clemmons for quite some time. Based on my judgment, I don’t trust Peretz on these issues.
I’ve read the transcript (before I first posted here), which took about five seconds to find via google. Conclusion? Not as out of context as some of his critics claim, but the material omitted does clarify what activities Soros was talking about—going with his fake godfather to catalog property.
You may consider Clemons a “well-known Bush hater” but he was never considered an ideologue or a simple leftist. He’s certainly grown to despise this adminiration—but so have I.. and so have many international-relations scholars and foreign-policy analysts I know who are not particularly left-wing or opposed to Republican policies. And since when are defenders of Soros disqualified from the defending him? That’s very strange reasoning, frankly.
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nykrindic—
You ask “where I did pass judgement on the VP”? Well, take a good long look at what you just posted: “I did not say he was guilty of anything other than allowing the perception of impropriety to be created with regard to his energy task force.” The perception of impropriety, that’s what it’s all about to the masses. How many volumes of Clintonian crap do I have to dig thru to convince you that this kind of nonsense is nothing but baloney?
Daniel Nexion—
You and I come from different ends of the universe. I’ve been following Peretz for over 20 years, and I’ve come to respect him, even when I don’t agree with him on all issues. Steve Clemons, to me, is a worthless political hack who trys to portray himself as political moderate with zero credibility.
Steve Clemons despises the “current administration”. Hey Dan, have you ever heard of scum bags with names like Kofi Annan, George Galloway, Marc Rich? I hope you’re not dumb enough to associate these jerks with George Bush. If not Bush, how about Bill Clinton? Yeah, you can claim credibility from so many international scholars—so can I!!
Mescalero,
your citation does nothing but prove my point. As that cite makes clear I never argued that the VP did anything wrong within the Energy task force, just that his decision (and the administration’s decision) to close all task force records created a perception that they were trying to hide something. In fact, that is what I said in my last response to you. I don’t even know why you are bringing Clinton-anything into the discussion with me when I haven’t even mentioned him. All that shows is that you have an axe to grind.
nykrindc—
You may find this post mystifying, but it appears that you and I may be on a collision course of convergence. That being said, you have to understand that I have worked in the aerospace industry for over 30 years, and I’m goddam tired of being lectured about “ethics in the workplace” every year. I’m make no apologies for wrongdoing in my sector of the American workplace, but where do you stand with regard with the obvious ethical short commings of the Clinton Administration and the Democratic Party in general (the Republican Party isn’t much better in some respects)?
You claim that you don’t know why I bring up “Clinton-anything” when you haven’t mentioned Clinton. Well, I didn’t mention anything about Cheney and the Energy Task Force either. I brought up Clinton, and I will bring him up again in response, take a good long look at Marc Rich and his relations with the Clinton Administration. I think you have to agree that there were a large number of Democrats that strongly disagreed with Clinton’s pardon of this financial scumbag, given his well-known contributions to Clintonian causes.
Do I have an axe to grind—well what is that in your hands hanging over the grindstone?
Mescalero,
I brought up Cheney’s Energy Task Force because you were placing the blame for everything Enron on his administration. Although I agreed with you, for the most part, I thought that you were giving the current administration too little credit in contributing to the Enron fiasco.
As for Clinton, yes, I agree, his pardon of Rich was about the worst sort of action any president could have taken. While he was in office, I disagreed with Clinton on many issues. I thought we should have never pulled out of Somalia following the Black Hawk Down incident. I thought that while his administration seemed concerned with bin Laden and the al Qaeda threat, they were missing the actual breadth and scope of that threat. I didn’t have a blog back then, so I didn’t write about them for all to see. Rather, I discussed these with friends. Back then I also criticized the Clinton administration for not being more serious about containing Hussein, or Iran, or even Afghanistan under the Taliban.
In like manner I also criticized newly sworn in president Bush for focusing so much on missile defense and not enough on al Qaeda, because as I said back then, it is not going to attack us with missiles, but rather with suicide bombers going after our infrastructure and transportation nodes. I feared back then, a plane suicide operation (this mostly after reading Clancy’s Executive Orders where a disgruntled Japanese commercial plane pilot crashes his plane full of passengers into the capitol during a swearing in ceremony almost completely decapitating our government). I also argued that they were not done with the WTC, and that we needed more focus on the threat than the new Bush administration was giving it. This while also criticizing the Clinton administration for its failures during its tenure.
I guess if I do have an axe to grind, it is this one: Like you and everyone else who keeps themselves informed about the state of our country and its foreign affairs, I care about its future and what is good for us as a nation. As such, I criticize any administration in power every time I see them deviating from what I believe to be in the best interest of our country. And yes, that is my perception of what those interests are, but it is based on my experiences and knowledge of particular situations. I’ll debate those with anyone, and hopefully learn something new along the way. After all, that is why I blog and comment on blogs, as I’m sure you do.
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nykrindc—
We both agree and disagree. At least you are civil and informed, something I really like!
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George Soros is Dr. Evil. Only worse. He hates and despises America, why I don’t know. Maybe cause it would stand in the way of his domination of whatever it is he wants to dominate. That’s really why we are “hated” around the world, we stand in the way of those who want to take over.
will no one rid us of this meddlesome commie?
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paul sadilek says:
I urge you to exercise a more rigorous standard of logic when drawing self-serving conclusions from data that does not point in such a direction at all.
I encourage everyone to read that post. It made me nauseous. The sociopathology of Soros, the MSM, and Paul Sadilk is the same kind of thing we’ve seen from the Left and from Socialists and Communists for years.
They live in an Inverted World, and have for a long, long time. It might as well be genetic, though it isn’t. They live in a world that requires, demands, Sacred Cows and Scapegoats. They live deep inside a myth of innocence that claims and believes that they NEVER do ANYTHING wrong….things are done to them. They never learn, never grow, and things are done to them. They smart enough for sure, they’re successful, exactly because they have NO conscience. Such people NEED camaflouge. They are intolerant and abusive, so they have to preach tolerance and respect. They are obsessed with power, so they attack the powerful. When they replace them they offer a regime more intolerant, violent and abusive than what they replaced. Though through their manipulation of the media, and academia they re-write history so that everyone knows only what the evil people they usurped were responsible for. In short, History as camaflouge. From Lenin to Soros the idea is the same.
The only difference now is that for the first time in the history of the human race we are in possessing of precise information about the mind, about society, about the Family as a system, as in Family Systems Psychology. In fact, there’s a reason that the MSM Empire (a propoganda empire that would make Hitler drool with envy) is not at all interested in it. Isn’t at all interested in having one, just one program devoted entirely to modeling Democratic values. For example a debate, treated as a dignified ocassion, that shows two people talking respectfully to each other and serving as a result as powers of example. NOT ONE program. Trillions of Dollars the MSM makes, TRILLIONS and not ONE f-ing program.
And this person whose post I quoted is talking about Christians and White Gentiles as a threat
But why? Well to cover up the fact that Soros is Jewish, as well as the man who donoted millions to The Sierra Club (on the condition it keep its mouth shut about Immigration). All of this is about camaflouging THEIR hatred by blaming their victim. They are psycho-pathological. Doesn’t this poster know that Bush is driven by Neocons and that Neocons share Soros’s view on Immigration with their “Invite the World” Domestic Policy to match their “Invade the World” Foriegn Policy?
Was it Bible-baning Christians who created the Politically Correct, Multi-Cultural Police State that we live in now?
There is NO coincidence that Democracy emerged out of Christianity, whereas NOTHING Jewish is Democratic. They have NO tradition of it at all! I defy ONE person to show me when in History Jews as a people ever supported Democracy. No, we are being invaded (that’s the right word) because that is how the Jews that run America want it. We are in the Middle East because that’s how the Jews who run our country want it. We have viturally NO free speech today (I mean White Gentiles) because that’s how the historically anti-democratic Jews who run things today want it.
And whenever their backs are against the wall they blame Bush. Well, what do you think he’s there for? Do you think it’s an accident? But when that doesn’t work they blame Bible-banging Christians (proving they have no clue, that most public Christians are in the Jews pocket, as Falwell was for years).
And when THAT doesn’t work they reach for the ole’ stand by and hurl the accusation of anti-semetism and smirk to themselves as their victim freezes with that pathetic deer caught in the headlights expression.
Well, the good news is, it’s wearing off. There is NO reconciliation with Jews like Soros, ever. I am neither Christian, nor Conservative, and, in fact, was once a Liberal. I’m Independent now, and declare my Independence against the tryanny of the most despotic people the world has known. Happily I am far from being alone and these awful, lying bullies can expect more and more people to wake up and begin to fight back.
Is there a way we as a nation could deport this guy back to Hungary? He is a fifth-column radical.
I am part Italian with a background as such. I am also part Russian Jewish. Born in Akron, Ohio. So were my parents.
Still what worries me is how this guy was taken as face value without checking his background and so forth. His accumulation of money and influence is frightening.
He is liken to a cockroach or a series of cockroaches that have infested the framehouse of this country.
Fact finding, investigation, investigation how much taxes this guy has paid or how much he has filed in taxable returns.
I would like to see this political radical of the far left deported from the United States back to his native Hungary.
The sooner the better.
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If anyone really needs to know what the true leanings of a conservative are, please read the posts by jeb stuart and bill above.
I will say, though, that at least their racism is out in the open. Gotta give them that, anyway.
And so when faced with that kind of crap, how can anyone take a conservative seriously? It’s impossible.
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And he stole the richest goldmines in the world in Yugoslavia.
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Soros would sell as many of his fellow downtrodden jews under the bus as are necessary for the cause of controlling the world. Yet most of the “average” jews are blind to any of this. Jew stands with jew, no matter what. If the dumb Christians were to have such a loyalty the likes of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Soros would not be position(s) they were, or are in. When, and IF Americans finally wake up and realize elitist jews own, and run the nation, then things might change. But with the brainwashing they’ve submitted themselves to it’s doubtful they ever will. They welcomed the enemy onto their soil, and now they pay the price.
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where are all the nazi-hunters when it comes to soros? he flat out admits to being a nazi-collaborater and still walks free? just another double standard when it comes to the holocaust.
Soros is filthy scum!
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