I once read a passage in a history of World War Two ( I think it was in the Stephen Ambrose book “Band of Brothers”) that has always stuck with me. The soldier speaking reflected on his first experience with the Germans, after landing on D-day and fighting the entire way into Germany- he realized that the Germans were more like us than were the French. He commented on the German’s cleanliness, integrity and industriousness in contrast to the “unclean” French who rolled over and allowed the Germans to dominate them and us to come and save them. This soldier found it strange that he and his friends were in Germany, fighting to save European nations that did not appear to deserve to be saved, just as his father had done. After all, Germany and the United States had a great deal in common.
The irony behind the recent decline in US/German relations is that we still do have much in common, including a closely shared recent history, but no one seems to notice, or to care enough to talk about that. All that matters are the differences. In the summer of 2004 I spent a week visiting a friend in Berlin, where we took in the German-American Volksfest- a forty something year old tradition that is a cross between a cultural event (the theme is a different a region of the U.S. each year) and a county fair complete with roller coasters and cotton candy. The event is held on what used to be called “Truman Platz” across the street from the U.S. Embassy Annex. If you have ever been to an “Octoberfest” in the U.S. imagine the mirror image of that in Germany and you will have a pretty good idea of what the event is like- earnest but somewhat cheesy.
After an early evening of good beer and a close approximation of bar-b-que ribs my friend and I, accompanied by several Americans and Germans who work with him, headed for the U-bahn (subway) to go downtown in search of more beer and food. On the train we were approached by a somewhat tipsy German fellow who mentioned, in impeccable American accented English, that he had seen us at the fair. He went on to say that the fair was not the same with the U.S. troops no longer in Berlin- followed almost casually by a quip that he was sorry to see his friends leave Berlin and to go on to massacre people all over the world. Why, he wondered, had the American people become such killers? We were all too stunned to really answer, so he asked again- where had we learned that this was the way to solve problems? After a beat or two had passed one of the Germans with us answered in a sad tone of voice “perhaps they learned it from us.” There ensued a brief argument in German too fast for me to follow, and we exited the train soon after. Later what bothered me the most was not that this unknown German had a low opinion of us, but that my friend’s colleague appeared to agree with the sentiment that we have become a too violent player on the world stage.
America has always had close ties to Germany, starting with the number of German immigrants who came to the colonies. In the aftermath of WWII, as the U.S. and our allies squared off against the Soviet Union, Germany, particularly Berlin, became the focal point of the Cold War and relations between America and Germany were quickly resotred in the face of a common enemy. When the Soviets cut off Berlin we airlifted food and supplies into the city, highlighted by then Lieutenant Gail S. Halvorsen’s candy parachute drops. President Kennedy declared himself, and by extension all of America to be Berliners (and not jelly doughnuts). Allied and Soviet troops stared each other down in huge numbers across the Fulda Gap and eye to eye across the street at Checkpoint Charlie. The world cheered when President Reagan famously challenged General Secretary Gorbachev to:
“Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! “
When the wall did come down no one outside of Germany cheered louder than we did here in America. So where did it all go awry?
Today the United States and Germany face very similar internal issues. Ongoing immigration and what to do with the existing, largely unassimilated, immigrant populations haunt both societies, with no easy answer in site for the Mexicans in the U.S. or the Turks in Germany. Both societies face graying populations and declining numbers of workers paying into increasingly expensive retirement support systems. Employment for the masses is a constant news topic in both lands, although the U.S problem is not as severe as the German. The threat from militant Islam, which so far has not directly affected Germany, indirectly threatens all Western nations. To quote the numbers presented by the German Embassy in D.C.:
- US travelers rank second only to visitors from the Netherlands in terms of overnight stays in Germany.
- In eastern Germany, more travelers come from the United States than any other country.
- About 10 percent of US investments in Germany are in the new federal states, making the US the largest investor in eastern Germany.
It seems that in the aftermath of the Cold War petty differences have blossomed and become major issues, on both sides of the Atlantic. I would venture to say that the average German has nothing against the average American, and vice versa (my U-bahn experience not withstanding). Elites on both sides of the ocean, fueled by, and at the same time fueling, the media propagate the idea that a vast gulf separates Americans and Europeans on issues such as climate change, the environment in general, terrorism, and foreign aid. There are specific differences to be sure- how members of each society view the state, for example, but in general the similarities outweigh the differences. It is up to us, Germans and Americans, to look for the similarities and to recognize that the differences do not make us enemies or mean that we can not work together to solve common problems, but rather that those differences may hold the key to reaching viable solutions.
The very tools that are often used to make the differences seem insurmountable- the Internet, satellite television and mass media- are the same tools that can bring us together, or better, make us realize that we never really drifted apart. Germany will play host to the largest party in the world this year with the World Cup to be played out across the country. Atlantic Review provides a link that I think bodes well for all of us: Americans among most popular World Cup guests. To my fellow Americans I say: go. Go to Germany and interact with the people. Learn about them and let them learn about you. Invite them to come and learn about us.
Governments come and go, but the people of a nation endure. The friendship between our two nations, rekindled in the hard days of the Cold War after WWII, was regained at great cost and should not be thrown away over misperceptions and sound bites. We will never agree on all things, I know. But if we continue to only seek the differences we will ever more find them increasing.
Respectfully,
This is perhaps not responding directly to the point of the article, which is the growing anti Americanism in Europe and Germany, however please bear with me..
I do not think it is fair to compare America’s problem of illegal immigration of Mexicans with Germany’s problem with legal Turkish immigrants.
The American problem is not cultural, in the sense that Mexicans, once here, are not trying to change our system of government. Most are just trying to make a living. Some are criminals, but in my opinion not moreso than other ethnic groups among American citizens. There is no branch of radical catholicism that can make them a threat to the government or our citixens. The problem is the cost illegal immigration imposes on our government services. The problem is also that our borders are not secure and that persons who are threats can mix in with, amd hide in the illegal cross border traffic. If our borders are secured, I think the problem with Mexican immigration will be over.
I am not an expert on the Turkish situation in Germany, but I think it is related to the possibility that such immigrants may be attracted to Islamic radicalism, which can pose a threat to both the government and to citizens.
In short I think it will be easier for America to control and accept Mexican immigration, than it will be for Germany to deal with its legal Turkic immigrants.
[...] Our own Dr. Demarche, in “Why Aren’t We in This Together?,” bemoans the recent decline in US/German relations: [...]
A couple of points…There are differences in our two societies that are not likely to go away. This leads to different perspectives on things. For example, ee say we have a growing economy with low unemployment. They say we have low unemployment because a large part of our youth are in jail. We say they have stagnant societies and they say we have high crime rates. There are a number of explanations as to why the Germans supported the Nazis and adopted a pathological hatred of jews. I believe that jealousy is a large component of that hatred. I also think that this is still part of the German psyche. As to today, they feel they have a “better” system than we do and yet the U.S. has grown more powerful. To make matter worse, most people in the U.S. do not know much about Germany and really do not care to know. Unfortunately, one possibility is that the same attitude toward the U.S. will develop as it did toward the jews. Their media is almost monolithic (and negative) and this does not seem to bother them. I don’t see it changing anytime soon.
Carnival of German-American Relations, Second Edition
This is a long carnival post, because we received so many excellent submissions about various aspects of our transatlantic relations from both sides of the Atlantic (and the Pacific), in English and in German. We would like to present you the large variet
I agree with Rich’s comment that the problem of illegal Latin American immigration (it’s by no means all Mexican) in the United States is not easily comparable to issues with Turkish immigrants in Germany.
But the reason is because significant segments of the American economy – agribusiness, construction, WalMart – are dependent on low-skilled and specifically illegal immigration. That whole situation presents very different problems and issues than Turks in Germany.
But radical Islamic fundamentalist among Turks in Germany? The only significant violent activity I remember hearing about among Turks in Germany involved the PKK, a secular, Marxist Kurdish organization. There are certainly Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey. But even in Turkey itself, radical Salafists like Al Qaida and other jihadist groups seem to have very little if any appeal.
I’ve posted about this post at my blog:
http://journals.aol.com/bmiller224/OldHickorysWeblog/entries/3768
The German criticism of US policy at present is to a large extent due to the Iraq War. That criticism is not unique to Germany among the democracies of the world.
The last world war seems to have largely cured the Germans from any notion of the blessings of preventive war. The sooner the US gets over it, the better off we’ll be, too.
Because I’m german, the following is difficult for me to explain. I’ll try my best:
When America was populated by Europeans almost only a specific kind of people took this adventure: people who were daring, curious, looking for new horizons; people who in Europe stood at the edge of society, maybe were seen as outlaws for political, clerical or other reasons; people who rather took their chance on a new continent than continue suffering on narrow conditions. This actually is a genetic issue. The exodus to America was a genetic bleeding of the european population.
And so: There surely is a great difference between “old” Europe and “new” America that will remain for several generations, at least. And since change is a major quality these days of Globalisation, Americans surely are in advantage. And yes, that makes people in Europe envious sometimes, and it irritates the ones that don’t understand why. And surely the wave of change is lead by people that have change in their genes, the formerly european Americans.
But wait: we’re just gaining fresh blood from eastern Europe and Turkey which will change our societies deeply, and make them more similar to American societies, more optimistic in the face of future. It will help us to master the requirements of change in a better way.
And when times for consolidation will come, you might approach and ask us for some assistance ;o) We’ll never really avert our gaze from our offsprings. Finally you’re still a part of us.
“The German criticism of US policy at present is to a large extent due to the Iraq War.”
True, perhaps, but misleading and irrelevant. Such criticisms are nearly always couched in terms of current events, but the German hatred for red-state America long predates the Iraq War. I have painful memories of the nasty, and often dishonest, rhetoric coming from Germany during the Reagan administration.
“That criticism is not unique to Germany among the democracies of the world.”
True. There are silly leftists elsewhere too.
“The last world war seems to have largely cured the Germans from any notion of the blessings of preventive war.”
WTF? I hope that it has cured the Germans of any notion of the virtues of imperial wars of conquest, but preventive war? That’s a very different matter.
“The sooner the US gets over it, the better off we’ll be, too.”
History might have turned out very differently if, when Hitler first started getting frisky, France and Germany had marched into the Rhineland. The world situation today might also be very different if Israel had not bombed Saddam’s nuke facility at Osirak. To claim that preventive war is never right and never useful flies in the face of history.
Perhaps you need to get over something. (Did that sound snarky? Perhaps inappropriate for a serious discussion? Then re-read what you wrote and consider how it will sound to someone like me. Your rhetoric has not persuaded me of anything except to not take you seriously.)
“Elites on both sides of the ocean, fueled by, and at the same time fueling, the media propagate the idea that a vast gulf separates Americans and Europeans on issues such as climate change, the environment in general, terrorism, and foreign aid.”
You can read the American MSM and New Media for a month and not see Germany mentioned. You can’t go three days of reading German media without seeing the most distorted, anti-American vitriol plastered across the leading newspapers and magazines.
It is simply not true that elites from both countries are driving a wedge between our nations. The German elite media is the driving force behind the deterioration of German-American relations. Frankly, it is probably of little concern to most Americans that German elites use the US as a way to divert attention from their own problems, but it is disingenuous to claim that the American elite media is responsible for the divide.
If anything, the US MSM is as anti-American (or certainly as anti-Bush) as the German media.
“if anything, the US MSM is as anti-American (or certainly as anti-Bush) as the German media.”
isn#t there a big difference between Anti-American and anti-Bush?
Why do you guys think Bush represents all Americans?
Martin, it has to do with the difference between parliamentary systems and representative democracies like the US.
We elect our President from a slate of choices. This is separate from our voting for our national and state representatives. Which translates as the MPs in your Bunde… parliamentary building.
A Prime Minister doesn’t represent the people of a nation, because he is not the head of state, he is only a head of government. Meaning, he represents his party or his coalition party.
Bush represents all of America simply because the President’s job isn’t to protect the people who vote for him, but to protect all Americans. When you are anti-American, it is logical to be anti-Bush as well, because if you don’t like our nation then you also wouldn’t like the person protecting and leading our nation.
Pro-Americans don’t really need to support Bush, since Bush is a politician and all politics are local. Pro-Americans support America, and that is why this doesn’t require that they support Bush at the same time. Anti-Americanism requires anti-Bush because of the points I outlined.
The Canadians say that appreciate Americans as individuals, but then they say they don’t like our government. So what they really mean is that they like Americans, but not when Americans choose our own representatives that the Canadians disagree with.
here ar emy two cents,
I was raised in Germany from the age of 6 to 18. I knew no German enrolled in a German school, did not get extra Unterricht in order to improve my mastery of the GErman language (i.e. Mexicans do); so I got bad grades in German and other course…but I got better and the grades got better etc…but as far as the mentioning of Anti-American sentiment in Germany, it was there back then, 1976-1988 (when I lived in Germany) I always heard stuff from my class mates that was derogatory…and I fit the example right my grades weren’t as good and many, even back then said the American schoool system and students aren’t as smart etc. I always heard something in the history class about Vietnam and NIxon…funny they did not mention the Marshall Plan that much…when I mentioned great accomplishemnts…I was told well w/out Herr Braun NASA would still be suck on the ground etc etc etc…so the interlectual superiority was there and funny enough it was on both sides the LEFT and the RIGHT…it did not matter what I said or tried to explain what cultural differences exist, it was wrong what the Americans did or what they were trying to do economically, politically and culturally. I felt like, well, a minority! I fell that had I stayed, which I sometimes thought would have been great…I would not be as successfull not be working on my third degree (BA, BS, currently working on the MBA) and would not have nice house, wife (something not very common in Germany in my age group 30-36) and two kids (something the state is asking the unmarried to have, in order to maintain some arian blood lines) a great job with a Fortune 100 company and a poll I can get in when the weather hit 80 degrees here in Atlanta in a few weeks…Not trying to sound like an American that lived in Germany and is now Anti-German. I went to a GYmnasium completed 10th grade i.e. technically I have a Realschulabschluss, would I have gone to a Universiaet??? Probably not, so I went to a Community College and then of the a 4 year University…the possibilities are still so much greater here it is unreal…the freedoms we enjoy from firearms to freedom frm the government taking your money(taxes; and think about it taxes for ARD/ZDF so the news is really from the government…no go here in the States) so I don’t know a solution b/c when I sometimes talk to old friends and something comes up and I try to give a different point of view it seems like Germans are programmed to say NEIN and shake their heads…and it is not that I agree with everything the Bush government has done but why so stuborn??? I t would be nice if we could say “can’t we just all get along?”
Ymarsakar:
“Pro-Americans don’t really need to support Bush, since Bush is a politician and all politics are local. Pro-Americans support America, and that is why this doesn’t require that they support Bush at the same time. Anti-Americanism requires anti-Bush because of the points I outlined.!”
It’s absolutely correct, what you say, but often, criticism against Bush (as a politician) is marked by (maybe Right-Wing?)-Pro-Americans as Anti-Americanism. If you talk to them and try to explain that you like America (as I do) but don’t like Bush as a politician, they often do the “NEIN” thing Cale mentioned, shaking their heads.