[Update – See Solomon2’s comment to this post regarding Mark Steyn’s banishment from The Telegraph]
On February 19, The Telegraph published an article by Alasdair Palmer entitled “ENGLAND: The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state.” If you click on the link, you won’t find the article. Instead, you’ll be treated to this message: “This story has been removed for legal reasons.” What those legal reasons are isn’t said.
Fortunately, Hyscience found the deleted article on another website. Shocking would be an understatement. You owe it to yourself to read all of it. Please help to disseminate it throughout the blogosphere.
ENGLAND: The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state
For the past two weeks, Patrick Sookhdeo has been canvassing the opinions of Muslim clerics in Britain on the row over the cartoons featuring images of Mohammed that were first published in Denmark and then reprinted in several other European countries.
“They think they have won the debate,” he says with a sigh. “They believe that the British Government has capitulated to them, because it feared the consequences if it did not.
“The cartoons, you see, have not been published in this country, and the Government has been very critical of those countries in which they were published. To many of the Islamic clerics, that’s a clear victory.
“It’s confirmation of what they believe to be a familiar pattern: if spokesmen for British Muslims threaten what they call ‘adverse consequences’ – violence to the rest of us – then the British Government will cave in. I think it is a very dangerous precedent.”
Dr Sookhdeo adds that he believes that “in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.
“It is already starting to happen – and unless the Government changes the way it treats the so-called leaders of the Islamic community, it will continue.”
For someone with such strong and uncompromising views, Dr Sookhdeo is a surprisingly gentle and easy-going man. He speaks with authority on Islam, as it was his first faith: he was brought up as a Muslim in Guyana, the only English colony in South America, and attended a madrassa there.
“But Islamic instruction was very different in the 1950s, when I was at school,” he says. “There was no talk of suicide bombing or indeed of violence of any kind. Islam was very peaceful.”
Dr Sookhdeo’s family emigrated to England when he was 10. In his early twenties, when he was at university, he converted to Christianity. “I had simply seen it as the white man’s religion, the religion of the colonialists and the oppressors – in a very similar way, in fact, to the way that many Muslims see Christianity today.
” Leaving Islam was not easy. According to the literal interpretation of the Koran, the punishment for apostasy is death – and it actually is punished by death in some Middle Eastern states. “It wasn’t quite like that here,” he says, “although it was traumatic in some ways.”
Dr Sookhdeo continued to study Islam, doing a PhD at London University on the religion. He is currently director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity. He also advises the Army on security issues related to Islam.
Several years ago, Dr Sookhdeo insisted that the next wave of radical Islam in Britain would involve suicide bombings in this country. His prediction was depressingly confirmed on 7/7 last year.
So his claim that, in the next decade, the Muslim community in Britain will not be integrated into mainstream British society, but will isolate itself to a much greater extent, carries weight behind it. Dr Sookhdeo has proved his prescience.
“The Government, and Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, are fundamentally deluded about the nature of Islam,” he insists. “Tony Blair unintentionally revealed his ignorance when he said, in an effort to conciliate Muslims, that he had ‘read through the Koran twice’ and that he kept it by his bedside.
“He thought he was saying something which showed how seriously he took Islam. But most Muslims thought it was a joke, if not an insult. Because, of course, every Muslim knows that you cannot read the Koran through from cover to cover and understand it.
The chapters are not written to be read in that way. Indeed, after the first chapter, the chapters of the Koran are ordered according to their length, not according to their content or chronology: the longest chapters are first, the shorter ones are at the end.
“You need to know which passage was revealed at what period and in what time in order to be able to understand it – you cannot simply read it from beginning to end and expect to learn anything at all.
“That is one reason why it takes so long to be able to read and understand the Koran: the meaning of any part of it depends on a knowledge of its context – a context that is not in the Koran itself.”
The Prime Minister’s ignorance of Islam, Dr Sookhdeo contends, is of a piece with his unsuccessful attempts to conciliate it. And it does indeed seem as if the Government’s policy towards radical Islam is based on the hope that if it makes concessions to its leaders, they will reciprocate and relations between fundamentalist Muslims and Tony Blair’s Government will then turn into something resembling an ecumenical prayer meeting.
Dr Sookhdeo nods in vigorous agreement with that. “Yes – and it is a very big mistake. Look at what happened in the 1990s. The security services knew about Abu Hamza and the preachers like him. They knew that London was becoming the centre for Islamic terrorists. The police knew. The Government knew. Yet nothing was done.
“The whole approach towards Muslim militants was based on appeasement. 7/7 proved that that approach does not work – yet it is still being followed. For example, there is a book, The Noble Koran: a New Rendering of its Meaning in English, which is openly available in Muslim bookshops.
“It calls for the killing of Jews and Christians, and it sets out a strategy for killing the infidels and for warfare against them. The Government has done nothing whatever to interfere with the sale of that book.
“Why not? Government ministers have promised to punish religious hatred, to criminalise the glorification of terrorism, yet they do nothing about this book, which blatantly does both.”
Perhaps the explanation is just that they do not take it seriously. “I fear that is exactly the problem,” says Dr Sookhdeo. “The trouble is that Tony Blair and other ministers see Islam through the prism of their own secular outlook.
They simply do not realise how seriously Muslims take their religion. Islamic clerics regard themselves as locked in mortal combat with secularism.
“For example, one of the fundamental notions of a secular society is the moral importance of freedom, of individual choice. But in Islam, choice is not allowable: there cannot be free choice about whether to choose or reject any of the fundamental aspects of the religion, because they are all divinely ordained. God has laid down the law, and man must obey.
‘Islamic clerics do not believe in a society in which Islam is one religion among others in a society ruled by basically non-religious laws. They believe it must be the dominant religion – and it is their aim to achieve this.
“That is why they do not believe in integration. In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future – and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.
“Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on.”
That plan, says Dr Sookhdeo, is being followed in Britain. “That is why you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim communities – which will be backed up by the claim that it is “racist” or “Islamophobic” or “violating the rights of Muslims” to deny them sharia law.
“There’s already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. The Government has already started making concessions: it has changed the law so that there are sharia-compliant mortgages and sharia pensions.
“Some Muslims are now pressing to be allowed four wives: they say it is part of their religion. They claim that not being allowed four wives is a denial of their religious liberty. There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time – and stay married, in sharia law, to all four.
“The more fundamentalist clerics think that it is only a matter of time before they will persuade the Government to concede on the issue of sharia law. Given the Government’s record of capitulating, you can see why they believe that.”
Dr Sookhdeo’s vision of a relentless battle between secular and Islamic Britain seems hard to reconcile with the co-operation that seems to mark the vast majority of the interactions between the two communities.
“Well, it isn’t me who says Islam is at war with secularisation,” he says. “That’s how Islamic clerics describe the situation.”
But isn’t it true that most Muslims who live in theocratic states want to get out of them as quickly as possible and live in a secular country such as Britain or America? And that most Muslims who come to Britain adopt the values of a liberal, democratic, tolerant society, rather than insisting on the inflexible rules of their religion?
“You have to distinguish between ordinary Muslims and their self-appointed leaders,” explains Dr Sookhdeo. “I agree that the best hope for our collective future is that the majority of Muslims who have grown up here have accepted the secular nature of the British state and society, the division between religion and politics, and the importance of allowing people to choose freely how they will live.
“But that is not how most of the clerics talk. And, more significantly, it is not how the ‘community leaders’ whom the Government has decided represent the Muslim community think either.
“Take, for example, Tariq Ramadan, whom the Government has appointed as an adviser because ministers think he is a ‘community leader’. Ramadan sounds, in public, very moderate. But in reality, he has some very extreme views. He attacks liberal Muslims as ‘Muslims without Islam’. He is affiliated to the violent and uncompromising Muslim Brotherhood.
“He calls the education in the state schools of the West ‘aggression against the Islamic personality of the child’. He has said that ‘the Muslim respects the laws of the country only if they do not contradict any Islamic principle’. He has added that ‘compromising on principles is a sign of fear and weakness’.”
So what’s the answer? What should the Government be doing? “First, it should try to engage with the real Muslim majority, not with the self-appointed ‘community leaders’ who don’t actually represent anyone: they have not been elected, and the vast majority of ordinary Muslims have nothing to do with them.
“Second, the Government should say no to faith-based schools, because they are a block to integration. There should be no compromise over education, or over English as the language of education. The policy of political multiculturalism should be reversed.
“The hope was that it would to ensure separate communities would soften at the edges and integrate. But the opposite has in fact happened: Islamic communities have hardened. There is much less integration than there was for the generation that arrived when I did. There will be much less in the future if the present trend continues.
“Finally, the Government should make it absolutely clear: we welcome diversity, we welcome different religions – but all of them have to accept the secular basis of British law and society. That is a non-negotiable condition of being here.
“If the Government does not do all of those things then I fear for the future, because Islamic communities within Britain will form a state within a state. Religion will occupy an ever-larger place in our collective political life. And, speaking as a religious man myself, I fear that outcome.”
It’s already gotten worse. Mark Steyn has been banned from the British newspapers of his own Telegraph syndicate! Even in the pre-war era, anti-Hitler writers like Churchill could get published in British newspapers. How will the Brits find a voice of steel to turn to when they need it?
Civil war in Iraq? Looks like Great Britain had better start worrying about civil war in Great Britain, not?
Aren’t Europeans getting a more than just a little pissed over riots, threats, demands, murders (Theo Van Gogh, Ilan Halimi, a few dozen – hundred? – honour killings), etc… by a bunch of fundamentalist, Nazi-lovin’ fascists?
Thank you, Mark, for bringing this to “our” attention! Scary
! I’ve just printed out you post and will sit down to a good read. Meanwhile, I’m certain “the other” Mark will find ways to get through to us, and then I second Solomon2’s question: “How will the Brits find a voice of steel to turn to when they need it?”
This explains why the French banned veils in schools etc. It explains the riots in “muslim controlled” areas in France also – pushing out the government, taking control. And the different countries including Canada in which muslims are pushing for sharia law for muslims in those areas where they predominate.
Appears the “Plan” is not facing too much deterrence in Britain.
This is disturbing.
Bat Yeor, it appears it depressingly correct w.rgd to europe.
It’s over there. All Over unless something rather dramatic and probably of necessity, violent, occurs
So what is our plan? Too many people are trapped into thinking soley in terms of government action. We need to be more entreprenuerial and create activist organizations to counter the Islamists efforts. The Bush Admin. has demonstrated quite clearly that it has no clue about how to counter Islamists within the current media environment. So what kind of organizations can we create? What tactics should we use? The Islamists are pretty clear-sighted in grasping that the weakness of Western civilization is what the Left has been successful at imposing upon us. The Western Left is the weakest link. We have to defeat the Left to defeat the jihadists.
phil,
Your observations are correct and your questions are the right ones. If only the world would stand still long enough, I might have the opportunity to try and answer them.
Here’s one thought: public diplomacy begins at home. Even if the Bush administration had a coherent message, it would be cancelled out by the messages of our Michael Moores. The days when the government could dominate communication channels are long gone, never to return. Why should foreigners believe our government when they know that many highly visible Americans—in Hollywood, for instance—don’t?
Something terrible is going to have to happen to discredit those who don’t understand what’s happening.
Think of Churchill during the 1930s. He saw what was happening and was called a warmonger for calling attention to it. We don’t even have a Churchill.
I could go on endlessly about this.
Phil is right. The problem is postmodernism, specifically multiculturalism. This modern intellectual movement has weakened the resolve of the West against muslims. Postmodernists are anti-Westernern, just as Muslims are. Note that Muslims in the west use lots of postmodernist speak, such as “Islamophobia” or “hate speech” in order to insert a wedge to expand their power base in the West. In fact, Too many Westerners don’t know how to defend themselves against that kind of rhetoric. There is a way to defend oneself, specifically by reference to individual rights, but those ideas have to re-discovered in the West, especially in America and the U.K., where they were once very strong. I posted on this is the usenet group humanities.philosophy.objectivism
Marc Schulman…
It’ll come down to 1 of 2 “events”, in my humble opinion:
1) Western Europe comes up with another Churchill.
2) Western Europe comes up with another Hitler (fearful people have been known to make a pact with the devil, as we all know).
I dunno… 2015 at the latest.
I’m hoping for Sir Winston.
I fear it will be “The Corporal”.
Oh well, at least there will be no more home grown fatwas or jihads, if ya know what I mean.
This speeech was delivered by Douglas Murray in The Hague to the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference on Europe and Islam in February 2006. Will Europeans listen?
http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000809.php
rich,
That’s an excellent speech, and right in line with my view regarding postmodernism. I’ve passed it on to some friends.
There is an Australian historian, Keith Windschuttle, who identitifies the same problem.
Here is a talk delivered by him:
The perverse anti-Westernism of the cultural elite
http://tinyurl.com/jwvzs
http://www.sydneyline.com/Adversary%20Culture.htm
Phil,
I don’t know about the kind of organizations that are needed, but I do feel the messages need to be more concrete and less ideological. For instance, by emphasizing that democracies permit changes in government without civil war or purges. Or that a society that wants the best solutions to a whole range of practical problems needs a way to its best minds be heard without having to worry about offending the local tyrant. Or that an educated woman contributes to her children’s chances of success and is a help to her husband. People like Dalrymple, who understand the pschycological and cultural backgrounds of immigrants, should be involved in formulating messages. The tendency here in Germany is to listen to more educated middle class Muslims and to forget that the larger part of the Muslim population come from backward villages. I don’t think that manyintellectuals or policy makers give much thought to the difficulty in coming to a new land and trying to adapt to a different culture. You can only counter the culture shock if you understand that it exists.
So much to be said about this wonderful American Future posting and its commentators, but how to say it with brevity and clarity?
1. Islam is not the enemy; nor is Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Hinduism, nor…
2. Multiculturalism is not the enemy, unless we begin to think like the jihadists.
3. The ‘left’ is not the enemy, unless we decide to adopt Howard Dean’s visceral hatred for the right.
4. When rational adults think it through, they will discover who, or what, the actual enemy is, and then they will better armed to wage the long war—to the death—being thrust upon them.
5. It is imperative for us to know who, or what, the enemy is and to stop our careless, constant misidentification of who the enemy actually is…if we are to prevail. OBL, et al, know precisely who the enemy is…we are very late in catching up to his analysis of who—or what—is the actual enemy.
Karen, you are right that in presenting a message it must be adapted to the people who are receiving it. Many of the things we value about our society won’t be valued by many in the Muslim world and would not be effective as tools of persuasion in certain circumstances.
However we need to shore up understanding and support here at home for our own ideals. There are many kinds of organizations that can be created depending on what people are trying to do, for example, we all recognize the power of film (a la Michael Moore) as a vehicle for ideas. A non-profit film production company can be created that could produce films such as documentaries about the Cedar Revolution and the Orange Revolution in Arabic, Farsi and other languages. We saw the TV footage from both revolutions and it was very inspiring. We could produce a series of shorts portraying a group of moderate Muslims standing up against radical Islamists attempting to take over their mosque and recruit their children. The purpose of the shorts is to provide exemplary behavior that can serve as a model for moderates. It could provide arguments that can be used in in the real world. One of the reasons people don’t act or speak out is because they don’t know what to do or say. A film could be produced about Bosnian Muslim immigrants in the US. In St. Louis, Bosnian Muslims revitalized run-down neighborhoods with their entrepreneurship and hard work and that can serve as a positive example for other Muslim immigrants in the West and for non-Muslims as well.
But it’s not just film that we can use. Think about all the non-violent tactics used by political activist groups across the political spectrum. These groups are very sophisticated in organization, persuasion, and campaigning for a cause. We can learn from them and take whatever we think may be useful. Americans have been doing this kind of thing for more than 200 years, we have a lot of experience to draw on.
Marc is absolutely right in saying: “Even if the Bush administration had a coherent message, it would be cancelled out by the messages of our Michael Moores. The days when the government could dominate communication channels are long gone, never to return.”
The communication environment has changed to the detriment of government and to the benefit of the little guy (that’s us). To paraphrase Glenn Reynolds, what we need is a “public diplomacy of Davids.”
Phil,
I would also like to see connections made between Muslims and earlier immigrant groups. Emphasizing the sameness of experiences and difficulties could help build bridges. It must be extremely hard to have to turn your children loose into a world you don’t understand. I think we shouldmine our immigrant literature and films for messages.
Karen, that’s a good idea, definitely worth doing.
The spirit of Daladier and Chamberlain is alive and well, though even Messrs. Daladier and Chamberlain woke up fully after the invasion of Poland; the ideological sedatives taken by sundry elites today are seemingly far stronger than those taken by Daladier, Chamberlain, et al.
Thank you for publishing that. I’ve linked.
A possible reason for removal “for legal reasons”: there was a statement in the Telegraph recently (read it in the print edition, unable to find online so far): “The Sunday Telegraph acknowledges that Dr Sookhdeo’s remarks did not refer to The Noble Qur’an, A Rendering of its Meaning in English, but to a completely different translation. The Sunday Telegraph apologises for this mistake and for any offence caused by it.”
In other words, there could be a very good legal reason for removing the article. Free speech etc. notwithstanding, if Sookhdeo, Palmer or the article editors confused titles, the Telegraph could be looking down the barrel of a very nasty lawsuit.
John,
Thanks for the speech by Keith Windschuttle. He has a web site with some interesting articles.
http://www.sydneyline.com/
rich
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Gotta love yahoo, good site. Thanks alot….
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