Just when you may have thought that it couldn’t get any worse, it has. Twelve days after the Times opened what now looks like a Pandora’s box with its first article on NSA domestic surveillance, defense lawyers in some of the biggest terror cases plan to mount legal challenges to determine whether the NSA used illegal wiretaps against several dozen Muslims tied to Al Qaeda, many of whom are American citizens. Having refused the President’s request to not publish the original story, the Times may now be responsible for the release of convicted terrorists whose intent is to kill Americans and disrupt our economy. If any of the Al Qaeda operatives are released and are subsequently involved in terrorist acts against Americans, the responsibility for the resulting deaths and disruption will rest squarely in the hands of executive editor Bill Keller, for whom the paper’s vendetta against Bush took precedence over our safety. If this scenario eventuates and any of the operatives involved in the act are identified as having been released as a result of the Times’ article, there will be a silver lining: the death of the self-styled “newspaper of record.” And yes, I’m as made as hell; I’m certain that Osama and his buddies are having the opposite reaction.
Just look at the carefully chosen words the Times used in their latest article:
- The expected legal challenges, in cases from Florida, Ohio, Oregon and Virginia, add another dimension to the growing controversy over the agency’s domestic surveillance program and could jeopardize some of the Bush administration’s most important courtroom victories in terror cases, legal analysts say. [emphasis added]
And just who is responsible for the growing controversy?
Among the convicted terrorists whose lawyers plan to take advantage of the Times’ disclosures are Iyman Faris, Mohammed Junaid Babar, Jose Padilla, Ali al-Timimi, Seifullah Chapman, the Portland Seven, and the Lackawanna Six.
Several days ago, government officials said that the NSA surveillance program played a critical part in at least two cases that led to the convictions of al Qaeda operatives: Iyman Faris of Ohio, who admitted taking part in a failed plot to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge, and Mohammed Junaid Babar of Queens, who was implicated in a failed plot to bomb British targets.
David B. Smith, a lawyer for Faris, said he planned to file a motion in part to determine whether information about the surveillance program should have been turned over. Faris’ lawyers said they were also considering a civil case against the president, saying that Faris was the target of an illegal wiretap ordered by Mr. Bush. A lawyer for Babar declined to comment.
The first challenge is likely to come in Florida, where lawyers for two men charged with Jose Padilla, who is jailed as an enemy combatant, plan to file a motion as early as next week to determine if the N.S.A. program was used to gain incriminating information on their clients and their suspected ties to Al Qaeda. Kenneth Swartz, one of the lawyers in the case, said, “I think they absolutely have an obligation to tell us” whether the agency was wiretapping the defendants.
In a Virginia case, Edward B. MacMahon Jr., a lawyer for Ali al-Timimi, a Muslim scholar in Alexandria who is serving a life sentence for inciting his young followers to wage war against the United States overseas, said the government’s explanation of how it came to suspect Timimi of terrorism ties never added up in his view. FBI agents were at Timimi’s door days after the Sept. 11 attacks to question him about possible links to terrorism, MacMahon said, yet the government did not obtain a warrant through the foreign intelligence court to eavesdrop on his conversations until many months later. MacMahon said he was so skeptical about the timing of the investigation that he questioned the Justice Department about whether some sort of unknown wiretap operation had been conducted on the scholar or his young followers, who were tied to what prosecutors described as a “Virginia jihad” cell. MacMahon said
They told me there was no other surveillance. But the fact is that the case against a lot of these guys just came out of nowhere because they were really nobodies, and it makes you wonder whether they were being tapped.
John Zwerling, a lawyer for one of Timimi’s followers, Seifullah Chapman, who is serving a 65-year sentence in federal prison in the case, said he and lawyers for two of the other defendants in the case planned to send a letter to the Justice Department to find out if NSA wiretaps were used against their clients. If the Justice Department declines to give an answer, Zwerling said, they plan to file a motion in court demanding access to the information. Zwerling said
We want to know, Did this N.S.A. program make its way into our case, and how was it used? It may be a difficult trail for us in court, but we’re going to go down it as far as we can.
Defense lawyers in several other high-profile terrorism prosecutions, including the so-called Portland Seven and Lackawanna Six cases, said they were also planning to file legal challenges or were reviewing their options. Patrick Brown, a lawyer involved in the Lackawanna Six case said:
Given what information has come out, with the president admitting that they had avoided the courts, then the question becomes, do you try to learn whether something like that happened in this case? I would have to talk to my client about whether that’s a road we want to go down.
My most pressing question about this issue is why hasn’t anyone been arrested yet? If not for treason (which it clearly is), then for breaking the law about divulging classified information. I know, treason isn’t considered grounds for legal action anymore…
The question here is not “Has the times opened a Pandora’s Box?” but rather “Has the administration done so?” The times is fulfilling its duty, it is reporting on something that Americans need to know about (the possible abuse of power by the government) and at the administration’s request, it held off for a year from doing so, giving the administration time to either come-up with a different system or with procedures that can place checks on the policy to ensure that we are protected not only from terrorists but also from the infringement of our civil liberties unless absolutely necessary (i.e. some measure of transparency). That the administration chose not to do so is the question we must really be looking at., not at what the Times did.
If not for treason (which it clearly is), then for breaking the law about divulging classified information.
Only Libby has been indicted for disclosing the name of an undercover CIA operative, Rove is probably gonna walk even though he is still under investigation, the President refused to fire him and others even after he stated that he would fire anyone involved with leaking Plames name to the media. Anyone no matter how small their involvement. This then changed, once it became clear Rove was involved, to anyone guilty or indicted not just involved. This set a precedent that people could leak classified information without any repercussions. So there’s your answer.
nykrindc,
I don’t know where you found this quote:
If not for treason (which it clearly is), then for breaking the law about divulging classified information.
It’s not in my post.
Also, by your logic (it’s the Administration that opened the Pandora’s box), the real culprit is Osama (without 9/11, there wouldn’t have been a Pandora’s box to be opened). Reductio ad absurdem.
Oh please, Libby was indited for lying to the grand jury and the FBI. The Special prosecuter went to great lengths to make it clear he wasn’t bringing charges under the law forbiding disclosure of covert CIA agents. I look forward to Libby’s trial. It will be great fun watching Russert squirm under examination by Libby’s lawyers. Let’s hope for great soundbites that kick the chair out from under the MSM media and this nonscandal.
Even the Left’s hero’, the New York Times argued that this law didn’t apply in the case of Valary Plame when the Special Prosecuter wanted to put Judy Miller in a cell. I don’t understand the Left. Our own security takes a back seat to getting Bush.
nykrindc,
I don’t know where you found this quote:
That was in response to Doug Loss, it’s in his comments.
Reductio ad absurdem
What you are doing is. What I am arguing isn’t. The administration tasked with protecting the American homeland, as it never tires of reminding us, is responsible as well for protecting the Constitution and our way of life. As such, it is incumbent upon it, if it finds it necessary to infringe on our civil liberties to “protect” us, to come up with a mechanism that is both able to do so, and which has enough checks and balances that it does not pose a long-term danger to our civil liberties (i.e. our constitution and way of life). The administration had a year after the times made it aware of what it had uncovered to establish a process which would pass public scrutiny, that it chose not to do so is its fault and noone else’s. While I understand some of the logic that led the administration to emply such a policy, I do not feel comfortable giving the government a blank check to use its power, because that is a slippery slope we choose to walk at our peril.
Gary Bezowsky
You are correct, but remember while acknowledging that he only had evidence to charge Libby for obstruction of Justice(no small crime we’re talking about here) he did staet unequivocally that Valerie Plame’s cover was blown (hence a crime was committed, and Libby is charged with obstructing the investigation of that crime).
Gary
Others were also involved in divulging her name to reporters, including Karl Rove. The President said that he would fire anyone involved, he didn’t say (at least initially) anyone who committed this crime. It has been proven that Rove was involved and hence he should have been fired and so should have Libby, instead he was allowed to “resign.” A crime was committed, that you can overlook the one committed by members of the administration, but not that “committed” by whoever leaked information on the government’s abuse of power to a NY Times reporter says volumes about where your loyalties stand. They are to the party, not to our country and that is not where they should be. I think the times did its job. The person who leaked the information may well have committed a crime, and if so, they should be investigated, but so should those members of the administration who leaked the information on an undercover CIA agent for political gain.
My advice to the left, keep hyperventalating about Valery Plame. Don’t let this story die. Fill the airwaves, the newspapers, spend every waking moment on this issue.
they should be investigated, but so should those members of the administration who leaked the information on an undercover CIA agent for political gain.
They were. Since no charges were brought we don’t know wheter no crime was committed or whether a case could not be made. The system worked. Time to Move On. If you don’t like it, change the system. Everything else written here is smear charges in an attempt to deflect attention from the point of the post, damage the NYT has intentionally inflicted, legally or illegally, on the security of the United States.
They were. Actually, they are still under investigation. KRove might still be indicted, so far only obstruction of justice charge and perjury against Libby have been proven, that is no smear. He will be tried and if guilty convicted for his crime against our country. As for the Valerie Plame “story” of course we (not the left, Americans) can’t let it die, a crime was committed. As the Special Prosecutor said “Valerie Plame’s cover was blown.” What type of American lets people in a position of power use that power for petty political gain, damaging the security of the country in the process? I hope none.
As far as the NY Times story. Again, I reiterate, yes whoever leaked it likely committed some sort of crime. However, the leaked information points to a potential abuse of power on the part of our government, an infringement on our civil liberties and our constitution, that is not a small issue. The administration has to answer these charges, Congress (in an atypically bipartisan fashion) is moving to investigate and it should because that is its duty; to check and balance the other branches of government. The danger from terrorism is real, but in fighting it we cannot loose sight of that for which we are fighting. If we do, we can end up losing a lot more than just the war against terror and that would be a tragedy for us and the world. I’m not ready to sacrifice my rights and liberties to defeat terrorists, that would only amount to a Pyrrhic victory and nothing more because we would then live in a police state. The issue at hand is larger than just spying on Americans (which the government recently admitted it has done, and not just on international-national calls), the issue is how to fight and defeat the terror without loosing that for which we are fighting. The issue is at the heart of the discussion of how we process “enemy combatants,” as well. Can we establish a system which is transparent enough to fulfill our ideals and values, and those others can follow in dealing with the threat, or will we just try to impose a process which noone in the world, including Americans can back. As Thomas Barnett has said, this is a crucial issue because in this day and age we as America can create rules but “the only ones that matter in the end are those recognized by other nations and taken up as their own. Globalization comes with rules but not a ruler. We may propose but never impose, because the difference between the leader and the led is not merely their competing visions of power but the power of their competing visions.”
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........”they are still under investigation. KRove might still be indicted, so far only obstruction of justice charge and perjury against Libby have been proven, that is no smear”.
The court of nykrindc has spoken. No need for a real court to opine on the guilt or innocence of Libby. It can’t be a smear when to Left speaks. Keep up the hysterics.
You do yourself no favors by misinterpreting what I say Bezowsky. All I stated was that KRove might still be indicted (a fact, not a verdict) and that Libby has been charged with obstruction of justice and perjury (again, a fact, not a verdict of guilt or innocence). Notice how I said “He will be tried and if guilty convicted for his crime against our country. ” If you care to check, I’m not a representative of the “LEFT.” I think, many if not most of the left would squirm at the thought. I have as many issues with the left’s “hate Bush hence nothing he does can ever be right rhetoric” as much as I do with the right’s “Bush is God hence nothing he does is ever wrong and all who say otherwise blaspheme.” I supported the Iraq war, I still do, I just have some problems with the manner in which the administration has handled it. I have never thought of America as evil, or that everything we do is tainted and solely for our benefit, my view of my country is that of a good nation that makes mistakes yes and that when it does its citizens are bound by their own responsibility to the ideals upon which our country was founded, to correct them.
As for the Valerie Plame “story†of course we (not the left, Americans) can’t let it die, a crime was committed.
That’s not at all clear. Plame has been argued not to have been covered by the statute. That will certainly be resolved at trial.
I am really shocked that, given the umbrage taken at the Plame leak, nykrindc has not called for a special prosecutor to throw the NY Times reporters into the slammer until they reveal who this leaker is.
Joy in Traitorville
The American left must be dancing in their proverbial streets. According to the newspaper of wreckard, the leftÂ’s assault on America may result in release of terrorists back to the bomb labs.
“so far only obstruction of justice charge and perjury against Libby have been proven”. These are your words, not mine. You do yourself no favors with the careless use of language, if that what is really is. Much like the facts which must be massaged, “Only Libby has been indicted for disclosing the name of an undercover CIA operative”, you seem to make the same mistakes which tilt in the same direction over and over again. Just like the NYT with’s it’s constant ommission of inconvienent information that might that might make it’s reporting anything but a constant stream of complaints about all things Bush.
I don’t think anybody on this blog defends Bush as God. That seems more like a shopwarn caricature of the LEFT when it desctribes the right than anything of substance.
Gentlemen, Gentlemen—please, let’s calm down a little bit! The subject of the post is an extremely serious matter and deserves to be treated as such.
nykrindc: if you haven’t read my follow-up post at
http://americanfuture.net/?p=1117
If you wish to reply, please do so there.
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